Debunking The Carnivore Diet

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The “Carnivore diet” is the latest and greatest fad diet eating plan to gain popularity in the health and fitness movement.

I thought it would be wise to dedicate a blog post to debunking this very nonsensical, dangerous and unhealthy fad diet.

The “Carnivore diet” is an all meat diet in which no plant-foods are consumed and is usually excessively based around red meat.

All meat diet patterns are being popularized on the likes of youtube currently from proponents such as Dr Shawn Baker, Sv3rige and others.

Many of these individuals also consume meat and animal foods in their raw uncooked state, which is another blog post in itself and very potentially dangerous as far as foodborne pathogens such as Salmonella are concerned.

Back to debunking the so-called “carnivore diet”…..

There is literally no scientific evidence to support an all meat diet pattern and the current research all typically indicates that animal food/red meat rich diets to increase the risk of type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, colorectal cancer and increased risk of mortality from these diseases.

Now don’t get me wrong I’m no vegan diet proponent, I consume a small amount of animal foods myself as part of a balanced plant-based diet and have experimented with vegan diets in the past previously with very poor results.

My main criticism of vegan diets is that they are so restrictive nutritionally that you need to resort to consuming synthetic supplements such as Vitamin B12, Vitamin D, longchain Omega-3(DHA) and so on, because a vegan diet cannot reliably provide these basic essential nutrients.  This I suspect is what makes diets such as “the carnivore diet”, paleo and ketogenic diets so appealing to those who aren’t interested in the vegan idealogy or having to take supplements.

The diet I follow these days is a “loose” Mediterranean style plant-based diet, rich in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, seeds, olive oil, beans, legumes, oily fish, lean poultry, minimal red meat and only occasional low-fat dairy such as yogurt.  The Mediterranean diet pattern is consistently associated with good health, nutritional adequacy and reduced risk of developing cardiovascular disease.

Animal foods do provide many valuable nutrients including Vitamin B12, Vitamin D, longchain Omega-3 fatty acids(EPA/DHA), heme-iron, rich quantities of zinc, iodine and conditional essential amino acids such as taurine and carnitine.  Many of these nutrients studies have found vegans are commonly deficient or lacking in.

However, at the same time there is literally no evidence-based or logical reason for excluding healthy plant-foods such as fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, seeds, beans and legumes completely from the diet.  These plant-foods provide many valuable nutrients and phyto-chemicals, which benefit health in a variety of different ways.

All of these wonderful healing plant-foods from fruits to nuts to legumes have been shown in studies to be associated with reduced risk of mortality from serious diseases such as cardiovascular disease and cancer.  Why anybody would want to purposely restrict some of the most healing foods we have access too makes no logical sense to me.

An all-meat diet would be likely lacking in many nutrients such as fiber which is essential for healthy digestive function and maintaining the gut microbiome.

Vitamin C would also likely be virtually completely absent from the diet, one of the most important nutrients for immune system function.  Folate would probably also likely be low depending on what animal foods were consumed, another important nutrient for cardiovascular health and methylation.

Let’s take a look at some of the most serious health consequences of a diet pattern excessively rich in red meat such as The Carnivore Diet.

Increases Risk Of Colorectal Cancer

Red meat increases colorectal cancer studyHigh intake of red meat has been implicated in many studies for potentially increasing the risk of developing colorectal cancer.

One study published 2015 concluded:

As a conclusion, accumulated evidence of prospective epidemiological studies and their meta-analyses shows that red meat and processed meat convincingly increases CRC risk by 20-30%. [1]

White meat (fish and poultry) is not associated with CRC risk and is recommended safely.  Meat is an important source of nutrients and should be consumed moderately and balanced with other foods.

Increases Inflammation

High Red Meat Intake Increases InflammationProponents of the carnivore and all-meat diets often claim that the diet can help to lower inflammation, however this doesn’t appear to be an evidence-based claim.

In fact, the research has found completely the opposite, which is that a diet pattern excessively rich in red meat to increase inflammatory markers such as C-reactive protein(CRP).

A 2014 Harvard study reported that as total red meat consumption increased among women from the Nurses’ Health Study, so did biomarkers of inflammation. [2]

Inflammation plays a role in the etiology of pretty much every single common degenerative disease from heart disease to cancer to autoimmune disorders.

It is generally recommended to lower intake of red meat and opt for oily fish instead, which are a great source of anti-inflammatory long-chain omega-3 fatty acids and are also a rare dietary source Vitamin D.

Increases Risk Of Type 2 Diabetes

Red Meat Increases Type 2 Diabetes Risk StudyRed meat consumption has been consistently associated with an increased risk of type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM).

Red meat provides substantial quantities of heme-iron, which is significantly better absorbed than non-heme iron from plant-based foods.

Elevated body iron stores are associated with insulin resistance, and even moderately elevated iron stores are associated with increased risk for type 2 diabetes

A study published 2013 in the JAMA internal medicine journal concluded:

Increasing red meat consumption over time is associated with an elevated subsequent risk of T2DM, and the association is partly mediated by body weight. Our results add further evidence that limiting red meat consumption over time confers benefits for T2DM prevention. [3]

Increases Risk Of Cardiovascular Disease

Red Meat Cardiovascular Disease RiskMany studies indicate that animal food rich diet patterns to potentially increase the risk of cardiovascular disease.  Red meat consumption is considered a dietary risk factor for CVD. [5]

Red meat is historically referred to increase CVD due to its saturated fatty acids (SFAs) content.

Red meat is a rich source of the amino acid L-carnitine, which is thought to be potentially metabolized by the gut bacteria into pro-atherosclerotic compounds.

A study published 2016 examined and quantified the potential dose-response relationship between red and processed meat consumption and risk of all-cause, cardiovascular and cancer mortality.

The present meta-analysis indicates that higher consumption of total red meat and processed meat is associated with an increased risk of total, cardiovascular and cancer mortality. [6]

The association between unprocessed red meat consumption and mortality risk was found in the US populations, but not in European or Asian populations.

Whilst it appears that processed red meat is the main villain when it comes to increased cardiovascular disease risk, excessively high intake of unprocessed red meat has a number of potential health consequences as we have already discussed above.

Plant-foods are also extremely important for supporting heart health by providing rich intake of antioxidants such as vitamin C, polyphenols, flavonoids, fiber and many other phyto-nutrients which possess potent anti-inflammatory and antioxidant properties.

As always seek the help of a professional nutritionist before making any significant dietary or lifestyle changes.

References

[1] Red Meat and Colorectal Cancer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4698595/

[2] Associations between red meat intake and biomarkers of inflammation and glucose metabolism in women.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24284436

[3] Changes in red meat consumption and subsequent risk of type 2 diabetes mellitus: three cohorts of US men and women.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23779232

[4] Meat Consumption as a Risk Factor for Type 2 Diabetes

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3942738/

[5] A Contemporary Review of the Relationship between Red Meat Consumption and Cardiovascular Risk

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5474906/

[6] Red and processed meat consumption and mortality: dose-response meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26143683

The information in this article has not been evaluated by the FDA and should not be used to diagnose, cure or treat any disease, implied or otherwise.

36 thoughts on “Debunking The Carnivore Diet

  • July 21, 2018 at 9:09 am
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    “My main criticism of vegan diets is that they are so restrictive nutritionally that you need to resort to consuming synthetic supplements such as Vitamin B12, Vitamin D, longchain Omega-3(DHA) and so on, because a vegan diet cannot reliably provide these basic essential nutrients. This I suspect is what makes diets such as “the carnivore diet”, paleo and ketogenic diets so appealing to those who aren’t interested in the vegan idealogy or having to take supplements.”

    This makes no sense.

    Vitamin B12 is not an animal derived nutrient. The “natural” B12 from animal foods actully comes from B12 supplements too. Animals are essentially injected or the have B12 added in their food. Just cut the middle man and take the supplement yourself. They are not more harmful than the supplemented animal.

    Vitamin D, which actual hormone, is made when skin is exosed to sun. You can also get it from mushrooms that are exposed to sun or if none of that is possible – from a supplement made from lichen.

    The long-chain Omega-3s are made by little algae out in the ocean. That’s where the fish get it from. Again cut out the middle fish and take algae based supplement. You don’t need industrial pollutants that contaminated the fish.

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    • September 2, 2018 at 9:01 pm
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      Actually vitamin B12 is an animal derived nutrient, this is a common vegan misconception.

      Ruminants produce their own B-complex vitamins including Vitamin B12 through microbial bacterial synthesis in the rumen.

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  • August 15, 2018 at 4:55 pm
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    If all this is true, why are people having the opposite results? And based on your statements you haven’t done your homework on the diet. These arguments have been debunked. For example, I haven’t had vitamin C in a very long time. Nor scurvy, no immune problems, or problems with my blood work. The body doesn’t use vitamin C as much on a carnivore diet. If you would have done your homework you would know that. You would also know that the fats and meats with the absence of carbs have been shown to reduce risk of diabetes and has been healing those who suffer from it. Again, you would know this if you did your homework. The question isn’t what’s wrong with the diet because it can’t be true based on what I think I know (like what you’ve done). The question should be… why is this working contrary to the old information I thought I knew to be true. Then you can see the truth. But I’ll just let time show you the truth.

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    • September 2, 2018 at 8:58 pm
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      I have done my homework. There appears to be no science to support this pseudo-science claim that “the body doesn’t use Vitamin C as much on a carnivore diet”. It appears to be complete pseudo-science to justify the general lack of vitamin C provided by an all meat diet.

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      • September 2, 2018 at 9:14 pm
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        Also be very wary of anecdotal claims when it comes to these sort of fad pseudo-science diets.

        There is always grandiose claims of wonder cures from those who have invested interests in promoting these fad diets like carnivore, raw vegan, fruitarian etc.

        9 times out of 10 the claims are exaggerated, out-right lies or these people often aren’t even following their own diet advice strictly.

        The fact remains an all animal food diet pattern is not evidence-based, healthy and will likely be lacking or low in many important nutrients for health from magnesium to potassium and so on.

        Humans are omnivores, thriving on a diet of both plant and animal food origin. Humans have never been strict carnivores or herbivores.

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    • January 11, 2019 at 4:51 am
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      Amen!! Our bodies use vitamins to metabolize carbs. Cut out the carbs and there is no need for the vitamins. There is also no need for fiber. People who have suffered for years with digestive problems finally find relief with the carnivore diet, fiber being one of their huge problems. I could go on and on…. I have been carnivorous for years and at the age of 64 I have never been healthier. The information in this blog has been debunked decades ago. Reader beware…fake news

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      • January 17, 2019 at 11:22 pm
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        Vitamins are basic essential nutrients, whether you are on a low carb/ketogenic diet or not.

        This is very dangerous diet advice to suggest that humans don’t require vitamins and is not based on scientific evidence.

        Various vitamins are extremely important to health such as vitamin C, b-complex vitamins and so on. If you end up deficient in the likes of Vitamin B12, you will end up with irreparable nervous system and spinal cord degeneration.

        Vitamins are very important….

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    • September 2, 2018 at 9:00 pm
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      Out-dated.

      Here is the latest research:

      “Based on at least six cohorts, summary results for the consumption of unprocessed red meat of 100 g day-1 varied from nonsignificant to statistically significantly increased risk (11% for stroke and for breast cancer, 15% for cardiovascular mortality, 17% for colorectal and 19% for advanced prostate cancer).

      The evidence-based integrated message is that it is plausible to conclude that high consumption of red meat, and especially processed meat, is associated with an increased risk of several major chronic diseases and preterm mortality.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27597529

      “As a conclusion, accumulated evidence of prospective epidemiological studies and their meta-analyses shows that red meat and processed meat convincingly increases CRC risk by 20-30%.”

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4698595/

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  • September 11, 2018 at 4:05 am
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    All these studies you site are not taking into account what the average person who eats meat is eating along with the meat like processed bread, pasta, French fries, soda and so on. You know the average American diet. Whenever you here epidemiological in diet discussion you should think lazy agenda. Do a controlled study on low carb vs whatever. But they won’t cause they really like their bubble

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    • September 15, 2018 at 7:55 am
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      Yet other meat such as chicken and fish is not associated with an increased risk of colorectal cancer or cardiovascular disease.

      In fact this same research consistently finds 2-3 portions of oily fatty fish weekly to be associated with a reduced risk of developing cardiovascular disease.

      It is only higher beef intake that is associated with an increased risk of these diseases. Even then it is only “higher and excessive” beef intake which is the problem here.

      All the research over the past 20 years has been quite clear that animal foods are fine as part of a healthy balanced diet, it is excessive intake which is problematic.

      “Based on at least six cohorts, summary results for the consumption of unprocessed red meat of 100 g day-1 varied from nonsignificant to statistically significantly increased risk (11% for stroke and for breast cancer, 15% for cardiovascular mortality, 17% for colorectal and 19% for advanced prostate cancer).

      The evidence-based integrated message is that it is plausible to conclude that high consumption of red meat, and especially processed meat, is associated with an increased risk of several major chronic diseases and preterm mortality.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27597529

      “As a conclusion, accumulated evidence of prospective epidemiological studies and their meta-analyses shows that red meat and processed meat convincingly increases CRC risk by 20-30%.”

      “Increasing red meat consumption over time is associated with an elevated subsequent risk of T2DM, and the association is partly mediated by body weight. Our results add further evidence that limiting red meat consumption over time confers benefits for T2DM prevention.”

      “The present meta-analysis indicates that higher consumption of total red meat and processed meat is associated with an increased risk of total, cardiovascular and cancer mortality.”

      “Red and processed meat consumption has been associated with increased risk for several cancers, but the association with cutaneous melanoma risk has been inconclusive…..

      Conclusion – “Red and processed meat intake was inversely associated with melanoma risk in these 2 cohorts.”

      “Findings from this meta-analysis suggest that a higher consumption of red meat was associated with a greater risk of esophageal cancer.”

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  • September 14, 2018 at 4:43 pm
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    I certainly appreciate this article As I’m sure soon enough there will be plenty of hard evidence of the consequences of a carnivore diet. But it is a little silly to put down veganism which shouldn’t be the point all you have to say is you like to eat meat and people will understand. Cholrella has non-analog B-12. Streptococcus Thermopolis makes B-12. We can convert long chain omega-3 into EPA/DHA just fine. vegans actually convert at a higher rate than non-vegans and we all need sun. Thanks!

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    • September 15, 2018 at 7:50 am
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      It is my honest opinion of a vegan diet as a former vegan and poorly thriving as a vegan.

      The only plant-based food I can see from the research which has been shown to contain active forms of vitamin b12 is nori seaweed and even then the studies aren’t on humans. Regardless the research doesn’t currently support relying on seaweeds or algaes for full dietary vitamin b12 intake, supplements are recommended for vegans.

      Many studies show the opposite with vegetarians and vegans have lower plasma and tissue levels of DHA, not to mention there is studies which have found ALA to DHA conversion to be unreliable and restricted in adults, especially those following an omega-6 fatty acid rich diet, as most vegans tend to.

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      • September 15, 2018 at 9:29 pm
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        To each their own good sir! I’m 9 years vegan. Don’t take b-12 supplements all my numbers are perfect and I’m beyond thriving! Endless energy work 70 hours a week and work circles around everyone. But I eat all organic, all Whole Foods, very little omega 6 and tons of oatmeal and romaine and walnuts all omega 3 foods. I take biosuperfood though which has brown algae which I believe contains free form dha. I think marine phytoplankton does as well. Either way just glad we’r’e sane enough to recognize an all meat diet is maybe not a great plan. Lol

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  • October 10, 2018 at 3:24 am
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    Makes no difference to me what anyone thinks. I’m a type 2 and had several serious health issues, including extreme fatigue and depression. I tried paleo, then keto but I was unable to get healthy or get good blood results long term. Carnivore was a major change for the positive. Too many benefits to mention for me. Everyone is different, but I couldn’t care less about a heart attack when I get older because I’m able to exercise and MTB again–also my testosterone dramatically improved. I do take a mixture that supplies all the minerals especially potassium, mag, K2, D3, methyl B’s and an unusually high quality fish oil that is extremely pure. Very high DHA. You must be willing to try these things to find out if they work or not for YOU. Who cares what Joe Blow thinks anyway. If it doesn’t work, just stop.

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    • October 12, 2018 at 4:28 pm
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      But I don’t want a heart attack in my 40s or diabetes or stroke period lol.

      I have excellent blood test results following an evidence-based heart healthy Mediterranean style plant-based diet. It provides all the nutrients I need without supplements, keeps me healthy and I know its an evidence-based diet for reducing cardiovascular disease risk.

      The increased risk of colorectal cancer is not worth the excessive daily consumption of beef either.

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  • October 18, 2018 at 2:07 am
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    Poorly researched post. Seems to start with preconceptions and biases and finds “supporting” studies to back those points. Ignores contrary studies and limitations of those cited. Calls the entire blog into question.

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    • November 22, 2018 at 8:42 am
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      Yet you couldn’t provide any studies or anything to counter my points and you won’t because there is no science which disagrees.

      The science is fairly consistent at this point, higher and excessive daily intake of beef is associated with an increased risk of developing colorectal cancer and many other diseases.

      “Based on at least six cohorts, summary results for the consumption of unprocessed red meat of 100 g day-1 varied from nonsignificant to statistically significantly increased risk (11% for stroke and for breast cancer, 15% for cardiovascular mortality, 17% for colorectal and 19% for advanced prostate cancer).

      “The evidence-based integrated message is that it is plausible to conclude that high consumption of red meat, and especially processed meat, is associated with an increased risk of several major chronic diseases and preterm mortality.”

      The carnivore fad diet proponents are going to do serious damage to peoples health by recommending people only eat beef or excessive quantities of beef, coupled with nothing but liver/organ meats and butter infused “bullet proof” coffees.

      It’s a complete recipe for early death, especially coupled with no healthy plant-food intake.

      I still cannot find me a single carnivore diet proponent who can provide me a sample daily menu of a 100% animal food diet that meets the lowly RDA/DRI for most basic essential nutrients without resorting to supplements and still remains a somewhat “balanced” diet.

      A diet of just animal foods would be lacking in many nutrients such as magnesium and potassium, which are very important for heart health and blood pressure.

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  • October 23, 2018 at 4:50 am
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    If you were vegetarian you wouldn’t need to supplement at all nor would you contribute to animal suffering at least in death. B12 can be obtained from dairy and eggs. And DHA can be obtained from eggs from hens fed flax seed.

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    • November 22, 2018 at 8:39 am
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      Research has consistently shown that lacto-ovo vegetarians also routinely suffer from sub-optimal vitamin b12 status and significantly lower levels of b12 than omnivores.

      DHA enriched eggs are a decent source of DHA. But you’d probably need to over-eat eggs in unhealthy quantities to achieve high DHA intake. Whereas a portion of oily fish to provide longchain Omega-3 fats and boosted with plant-based foods such as walnuts, flax seed and leafy greens, which are rich in short-chain omega-3 is a more optimal strategy in my opinion. Especially for someone at risk of cardiovascular disease or sudden cardiac death.

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  • October 24, 2018 at 3:13 am
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    Hey, you did a pretty good job with this post, but i wanted to correct a few things here, you mentioned a vegan diet is defficient in DHA and D however, this is true for any diet that doesn’t include fish, organ meats or fortified foods (whether vegan or not) i follow a pescatarian version of a mediterranean diet myself, but i think is important to note that these can still be issues in a omnivorous diet, and it probably is for the SAD.

    B12 is a more vegan-exclusive thing, but its still recommended for everyone over the age of 50 (vegan or not), and for people with gut issues as its often not well absorbed

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    • November 22, 2018 at 8:37 am
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      The Mediterranean diet provides substantial quantities of Omega-3 fatty acids in the form of long-chain EPA/DHA from oily fish. This is one of the key benefits of the Mediterranean diet consuming 2-3 portions of omega-3 rich oily fish weekly to confer to cardiovascular disease risk reduction.

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  • December 16, 2018 at 3:30 pm
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    Thank you for the well researched article. I recently stumbled upon this new carnivore fad and was floored by how crazy it sounds, so thought I would do a little research on it myself. That’s how I stumbled onto your site.
    After watching some of sv3rige and other carnivore videos, I also felt they are leading a lot of people down a dark road ahead, most likely affecting people’s health quite negatively in the long run.
    As I was reading the list of foods you eat, I was thinking, that’s exactly how I eat, too. I didn’t even know I was following a Mediterranean diet, I just buy fresh foods and cook everything from scratch and stay away from fad diets. I recently had a bunch of blood work done and every single thing I was tested for was in the perfect healthy range. Even my B12 and D levels. I don’t take any supplements. My doctor was floored and said he was jealous of how perfect my results were.
    Eating a wide variety of fresh foods really is one of the keys to health. I’m 49 and never felt better! I will definitely continue to eat this way for the remainder of my life.
    Keep on keeping the public educated with your well researched articles!

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    • December 17, 2018 at 10:01 am
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      Thanks for taking the time to leave the kind comment :).

      Wishing you good health.

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  • December 20, 2018 at 4:58 pm
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    Correlation DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION.

    How come Hong Kong leads the world in Meat consumption per capita (more than double the US) yet is consistently in the top 3 in longevity (US is 50)? https://i.redd.it/kt18f527d7a11.png

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/life-expectancy-by-country/

    While Hong Kong eats double the meat, The US leads the world in sugar consumption at 126 g per day on average. China as a whole averages 15 gs.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/05/where-people-around-the-world-eat-the-most-sugar-and-fat/?utm_term=.80a57c4e5471

    None of the studies you reference control for carbohydrate consumption, so you’ve debunked nothing as it pertains to the carnivore diet. Here’s a more logical hypothesis: increased meat consumption COMBINED with sugar consumption increases risk of fatality.

    As for colorectal cancer….healthy user bias must be taken into account: Someone that eats red/processed meat, when authorities have declared it as a health risk for decades, are more likely to smoke, drink, fail to exercise etc. Even after all of that, an 18% INCREASED risk is minuscule in terms of total cancer risk.

    For example, both processed meats and smoking are both classified Group 1 carcinogens. Yet, smoking INCREASES cancer risk by over 10,000% (3000% on average) when you compare never smokers to heavy smokers. https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-percentage-of-smokers-get-lung-cancer-2248868 .2 percent TOTAL risk for never smokers to 24% TOTAL risk= 12,100% increased risk of lung cancer.

    Apply that to colorectal cancer, which again, NONE of the studies control for carbohydrate consumption (making it completely inapplicable as a causal factor in the Carnivore diet) or healthy user bias, and you have an almost negligible increase in TOTAL cancer risk. In the US, there are roughly 150,000 cases of colorectal cancer each year out of a population of 325,700,000. That’s a .05% total risk. An 18% increase in risk applied to .05% total risk is minuscule, and the odds of any one of these patients being carnivore is infinitely small.

    You’ve debunked nothing. We need controlled studies.

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    • December 22, 2018 at 7:32 am
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      Asian diets are also balanced with many plant-based foods such as seaweeds, soy and so on.

      These are far from examples of 100% carnivore diets just because they contain high intake of meat.

      An 18% increased risk of colorectal cancer is not miniscule either and appears to be a diet modifiable risk factor i.e eat your red meat in sensible quantities as part of a balanced diet pattern, rather than eating nothing but 5 rib-eye steaks everyday because some “carnivore” youtuber told you it was the cure for every disease despite having no science to support their claims.

      It is only “higher” and excessive daily consumption of red meat that is associated with health problems in these studies. All the more reason once again as said to consume red meat as part of a balanced diet.

      Also it is only red meat and lamb which are associated with increased CRC risk. Other meat such as fish and white poultry can be consumed safely without increased CRC risk according to the studies, so that is another reason.

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  • April 3, 2019 at 12:47 am
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    I think that looking for any evidence based information on this issue is pretty pointless. There will never be any mainstream globally accepted “evidence based study” on this controversial issue. It is all too politically correct for every study to show basically the same thing. Red meat bad, lean meat good. It seems almost as if its just automatically made to look this way just to keep people in fear of natural animal fat as a nutrient. Red meat contains more nutrition than leaner meats like poultry or fish. Relying on these studies only continues to perpetuate fear and confusion.

    Healthy people with no issues can likely eat a “balanced diet” of fresh natural food without any problem, but a person with health conditions or digestive issues may very well have a lot of trouble eating this way and will need to eliminate irritating foods from their diet to find relief.

    Health conscious individuals tend to look to their government or other biased information to find out whats considered healthy. Is it unhealthy to eat a carnivorous diet of only red meat in excessive quantities? Probably. But it is due to the excess of food in general, not the excess of meat. Overeating is not healthy. Many of these carnivore dieters are overeating. I believe it can be done safely and healthily if one consumes enough offal with their muscle meat and does not overeat. There is plenty of nutrition in these foods and there is nothing wrong with it. No one is trying to make the world go carnivore. There is no agenda.

    People need to choose what works best for them and not pay so much attention to all the noise. Use logic and critical thinking to decide for yourself without looking everywhere for “evidence and science” to figure it all out for you.

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    • April 3, 2019 at 8:47 pm
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      If we use a combination of logic, critical thinking and scientific evidence, then various plant-based foods will always play a vital role in any optimal health orientated diet.

      As will a sensible quantity of animal foods.

      But no health orientated diet pattern should ever be solely based just around animal foods, especially not excessive quantities of red meat.

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  • April 23, 2019 at 5:12 pm
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    You have stated on multiple occasions you can only use a study on a specific diet to prove or disprove a diet which is why you dismiss the multiple carnivorous civilizations that ate all meat and were in near perfect health for thousands of years but yet I dont see a single study on an all meat diet, not even one on a mostly meat diet. Do you have any actual proof the carnivore diet is unhealthy?

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    • April 23, 2019 at 9:34 pm
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      How much proof do you need that excessive animal food intake such as excessive red meat consumption/total red meat consumption is unhealthy, associated with an increased risk of several diseases and increased mortality from these diseases.

      Where from that scientific evidence do you feel then that its a good idea to eat nothing but animal foods or excessive quantities of red meat?

      Do you have a single study to support an all animal food diet pattern and the irrational elimination of all healthy longevity promoting plant-based foods such as fruits, vegetables etc from the diet?

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      • April 25, 2019 at 6:00 am
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        Here is some more latest research on the potential negative health consequences of excessive red meat consumption.

        “Red meat consumption is linked to higher risk of death from most major causes”

        Eating red meat increases the likelihood of dying from most major causes while eating white meat instead reduces the risk, a cohort study of more than half a million people published in The BMJ suggests.

        The chances of dying from cancer, heart disease, respiratory disease, stroke, diabetes, infections, kidney disease, or liver disease all increased in line with red meat consumption. The only protective effect of eating red meat was on the risk of dying from Alzheimer’s disease, although the researchers said that it was difficult to draw conclusions from this finding because of the complicated relation between diet and dementia.

        The strongest association with red meat consumption was death from chronic liver disease, which more than doubled in people with the highest intake.

        STUDY SOURCE – https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j2241

        Yet these carnivore diet “gurus” want to recommend dangerous non evidence based fad diets of 95%-100% red meat.

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          • April 25, 2019 at 2:29 pm
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            This is a study on refined carbohydrates and their introduction to a traditional diet being unhealthy.

            The study you provided has absolutely nothing to do with being supporting evidence of a dangerous 95% red meat diet as you/Shawn Baker recommend.

            You don’t have a single study to support the promotion of an excessive red meat based diet, its completely illogical and the science which is there has consistently shown negative health consequences from excessive higher/total red meat consumption.

  • May 17, 2019 at 2:06 am
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    Thank you so much for writing this article. I knew right away that the majority of comments would be from brainwashed carnivore diet followers.

    I tried the diet myself for 30 days (originally Keto for a few months) after reading the overblown and absurd success stories on the Zerocarb subreddit.

    I was expecting to feel absolutely great. However, what I got was the following: shitty sleep, low energy, flat mood, shitty workouts, no libido, and pissing grease out of my ass 2-3x per day. I ate enough food every day and was even eating organ meats. But you won’t hear about these types of stories – the ones you hear about and the ones that get massive attention are the ones that make the diet followers feel good and reinforce their own beliefs – that their diet is a miracle diet.

    I think there are a ton of people who are hopping on the Carnivore diet hype train and having massive placebo effects combined with the fact that they are eliminating processed food and some foods that they may be sensitive to. Meat isn’t inherently a healing superfood, they’re simply deriving benefits from a combination of placebo, reduced caloric intake, ketosis, and potential elimination of food allergens.

    And all of this supposed increase in energy and mood for what? So they can read and post more on retarded carnivore forums and youtube videos? You don’t see brilliant physicists and novelists etc. eating these types of diets – you only see autistic manchildren like Frank Tufano, Shawn Baker, and Sv3rige eating them to fuel their pointless existences.

    And just lol at the diet increasing testosterone levels to any significant degree. Sure, some fat and cholesterol is needed to form testosterone, but only up to a certain extent – the excess amounts of these nutrients will not make you into Jay Cutler, as evidenced by the appearance of the carnivore dieters. Lack of carbohydrates has been shown in studies to lower testosterone and increase cortisol, as well.

    Additionally, fiber is beneficial for helping the body excrete excess estrogen. DIM found in cruciferous vegetables is also utilized for estrogen metabolism, and white mushrooms and certain fruit like pomegranate are natural aromatase inhibitors. Carnivores are not getting any fiber, nor are they getting any anti-estrogen phytochemicals. The end result? These men are walking estrogenic powerhouses (especially if they consume dairy frequently), believing they are becoming more masculine by eating only meat. I don’t think they’ve realized the irony in this.

    No wonder the women on the Zerocarb subreddit said they started filling out so nicely and getting their periods more regularly after adapting the diet.

    Have fun with this one, guys!

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    • May 24, 2019 at 8:25 pm
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      Good post and sorry to hear about your experiences.

      You are definitely not the only one though. I have talked with a few individuals in the past week who have developed hba1c tests in the diabetic range after just months on this fad dangerous carnivore pseudo-science “diet”.

      Also spoke with another few individuals who have developed terribly unhealthy lipid and cholesterol profiles in just a matter of months eating nothing but animal foods.

      As you say completely void of dietary fiber intake, low in vitamin C, magnesium, completely void of beneficial phyto-chemicals, only to end up with worse blood tests than individuals on the standard Western processed diet.

      Most of the individuals who are raving about the carnivore fad diet tend to be former raw/vegans who have been starving themselves on various extreme fad dieting regimes, so they start including nutrient dense foods such as meat and liver, eggs, fish etc and feel better initially. But most of these individuals learn nothing from their previous fad dieting failures and just go to the other extreme of eating 100% animal foods, so there is never any nutritional balance.

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  • June 3, 2019 at 10:32 pm
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    Not a true carnivore but around 70% of my calories now come from animal products. Switched to this WOE about 11 months ago. Crippling insomnia for nearly 2 years prior is completely gone. Anxiety and depression also nearly gone and never been so emotionally stable in my life. Have not had cold/flu for the last 10 months so my immune system does not seem to be compromised by the lack of vitamin C. Digestion is alright although not perfect – have not noticed change in that department. Also, after switching to strict carnivore around 2 months ago, I love how stable my energy levels are. Whereas, before I used to have massive energy crash every afternoon. It is anecdotal but I certainly feel that eating more meat has improved my health – both physical and psychological.

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